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BMW Group Romania launches Remote Car Delivery and Return Service

BMW Group Romania launches Remote Car Delivery and Return Service

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BMW Group Romania launches Remote Car Delivery and Return Service Amid the Coronavirus widespread and the current critical context, BMW Group Romania is premiering the remote car delivery and return for service operations, now available across the entire Romanian network of authorized BMW and MINI dealerships. In this period of crisis, uncertainty and great market pressure on certain professional categories, the freedom of mobility is now crucial more than ever before. Thus, BMW Group Romania is now offering a catered solution for facilitating the safe delivery of a new car for programmed service operations. The facility is free of charge for all clients who receive a new car. The pick-up and delivery service is free for all clients with a minimum service payment amount of RON 1,200 (a...
2021 Hyundai Genesis G80 – interior Exterior and Drive (Gorgeous Sedan)

2021 Hyundai Genesis G80 – interior Exterior and Drive (Gorgeous Sedan)

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http://youtu.be/33zCEYxCTNI Car T-Shirts: https://teespring.com/stores/zaglop-car Overview From its unique double headlights and gigantic pentagonal grille to its slippery bodywork and sloping roofline, the all-new 2021 Genesis G80 is a rolling beauty. The shapely sedan is inspired by the company's new GV80 SUV, which also looks the part of a high-class luxury vehicle without the high-end price tag. Both entries are Genesis' attempt to usher in a new era and increase its cache as a burgeoning luxury brand the likes of BMW and Mercedes-Benz. The G80 slots in between the smaller G70 and the larger G90 sedans, and it's expected to compete with mid-size luxury cars such as the BMW 5-series and the Mercedes-Benz E-class. What's New for 2021? The 2021 G80 is all-new and represents the third g...
VIDEO: Klaus Fröhlich, R&D Chief, explains BMW’s Power of Choice strategy

VIDEO: Klaus Fröhlich, R&D Chief, explains BMW’s Power of Choice strategy

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VIDEO: Klaus Fröhlich, R&D Chief, explains BMW’s Power of Choice strategy BMW Group’s Power of Choice strategy is an all-rounding, multi-pillar approach to future mobility, as detailed by R&D chief Klaus Fröhlich. In a recent presentation video, Fröhlich stresses the fact that the key to ensure success in the field of mobility is diversity. Or, better said, offering conventional internal combustion powertrains together with pure electric, plug-in hybrid and even hydrogen fuel cell alternatives. BMW’s R&D chief further highlights the “Power of Choice” aims to offer a diversity of powertrains, which clients can freely choose from based on their own desires and needs. BMW said this approach is substantially safer and more prudent than simply focus...
BMW Group reaffirms commitment to hydrogen fuel cell technology

BMW Group reaffirms commitment to hydrogen fuel cell technology

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BMW Group reaffirms commitment to hydrogen fuel cell technology BMW announced today its commitment of offering a sustainable hydrogen fuel cell technology in series production vehicles in the near future. According to BMW, the Bavarians are carefully and constructively building a multi-pillar powertrain and mobility strategy. When the market is ready, the hydrogen fuel cell technology could become the fourth pillar of the strategic approach in the long-term. BMW Group is confident that conventional engines will continue to co-exist with electric, plug-in hybrid and, potentially, hydrogen fuel cell alternatives for a long time. Diversity is the key, as the automotive giant affirms. The road to free-emission mobility is taken on systematically and gradually, by carefully considering the ...
BMW i Hydrogen NEXT coming in 2022 with 368 horsepower

BMW i Hydrogen NEXT coming in 2022 with 368 horsepower

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BMW i Hydrogen NEXT coming in 2022 with 368 horsepower The future BMW i Hydrogen NEXT fuel cell electric vehicle is scheduled to be unveiled in 2022, equipped with a state-of-the-art hydrogen-based powertrain. As part of its long-term commitment to fuel cell technology, BMW Group will launch the second generation of its hydrogen-based powertrain in 2022 on a small series of the BMW i Hydrogen NEXT based on the current X5 generation. The prospects of offering a larger-scale series production BMW FCEV depend very much on market conditions, requisite infrastructure, competitive pricing and customer requirements. BMW estimates that it will be able to launch such a vehicle in the second half of this decade at the earliest. Coming back to the BMW i Hydrogen NEXT, the new trial model will be ...
What is the difference between the BMW i3 and the i3s?

What is the difference between the BMW i3 and the i3s?

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What is the difference between the BMW i3 and the i3s? What is the difference between the BMW i3 and BMW i3s? That’s a we get frequently asked. In a way, the answer is simple and in a way, it is not. It takes a trained eye to spot the difference between the two that use the same 42 kWh battery pack, same motor and same layout. BMW i3s The i3s is BMW’s Sport Edition of the i3 which debuted as a 2018 with the mid-cycle update of the electric car. The i3s enhancements include the trifecta of increased power, improved handling, and a more athletic appearance. The BMW i3s models have a lowered and wider stance as well as unique wider 20-inch wheels with performance summer tires. Visually the i3s is most easily identified by its gloss black wheel arch molding, unique front, rear ...
BMW wants a transforming steering wheel for autonomous cars

BMW wants a transforming steering wheel for autonomous cars

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BMW wants a transforming steering wheel for autonomous cars Ever since Bertha Benz first drove the Patent Motorwagen back in 1886, steering wheels have been round things that you turn to steer the front wheels. Sure, there have been some funky variations over the years, such as a few square-shaped wheels and even a Saab which had a joystick, but for the most part steering wheels have been almost exactly the same as Bertha Benz’s. That’s because there really hasn’t been any sort of secondary function for a steering wheel. But with the advent of autonomous cars, what’s demanded of a steering wheel is going to change. Which is why BMW has recently filed a patent for a transforming steering wheel. Some patent drawings were found by BMWX2Forum and they show a steering...
A Complete Icon: The History Of The BMW Hofmeister Kink

A Complete Icon: The History Of The BMW Hofmeister Kink

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A Complete Icon: The History Of The BMW Hofmeister Kink Just as the kidney grille, the Hofmeister kink is like a business card for BMW, an element that is instantly associated with the German automotive constructor. The Hofmeister kink is a visual design element that’s been featured on every model since the advent of the BMW Neue Klasse models in 1961. It is sometimes mistakenly translated as “Hofmeister kick” by dropping the “n” letter from the German “Hofmeister Knick” that denotes the side window design element. It is, as well, wrong to spell it with double “f” letters instead of a single one. 50 Years of BMW New Class, BMW 1500 (03/2011) The Hofmeister kink derives its title from the name of its creator, Wilhelm Hofmeister, who ...
Is the BMW M340i xDrive Touring is the best all-around Bimmer on sale?

Is the BMW M340i xDrive Touring is the best all-around Bimmer on sale?

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Is the BMW M340i xDrive Touring is the best all-around Bimmer on sale? Fast wagons are always the apples of enthusiasts’ eyes. Their ability to blend sports car performance with daily-driver usability are second-to-none and the reason why enthusiasts love them so. The Germans are the most famous for fast wagons, even if they aren’t alone. While Audi and Mercedes-Benz are the most well-known makers of performance wagons, BMW isn’t without its own as well. One of which is the BMW M340i xDrive Touring, a car that sadly isn’t sold in our home market, North America. It’s unfortunate that we can’t get the M340i Touring in the ‘States because it’s likely BMW’s best all-around car. I’ll clarify a bit — the BMW M340i Touring isn&r...
Jochen Paesen, former BMW designer, joins Kia Motors to lead interior design

Jochen Paesen, former BMW designer, joins Kia Motors to lead interior design

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Jochen Paesen, former BMW designer, joins Kia Motors to lead interior design Former BWM designer Jochen Paesen joins the design studio at Kia Motors. The South Korean-based design team is led by Karim Habib, former BMW Head of Design. This is Kia’s third major hire from BMW’s pool of talent which also includes Albert Biermann, previously head of engineering at BMW M. Paesen has a name for himself while working on the interior design of the BMW Vision Efficient Dynamics which later became the BMW i8. The Belgium national is a globetrotter having lived in South Africa, France, England, Holland and Germany. We finished his design degree at Coventry University in England, then attended the Royal College of Art. Prior to BMW, Paesen worked for Volkswagen for 5 years where he cra...
LARTE Design spices up the X3, X4 and X5 with new body kits

LARTE Design spices up the X3, X4 and X5 with new body kits

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LARTE Design spices up the X3, X4 and X5 with new body kits European tuning specialist LARTE Design premieres the dedicated Performance kits for the BMW X3, X4 and X5. The body parts kits are addressed to the M Sport versions of the G01, G02 and G05 series. Each of the LARTE Performance kits comprises of nine main body parts. At the client’s request, the design and aerodynamic elements can be manufactured from carbon fiber or composite materials. In addition, besides the raw material look, the body parts can also be finished in the car’s main body color or in a glossy black shade. The tuning specialist also offers the possibility to decorate the body parts and interior elements in an aged bronze finish, adding further style to the car. It takes about 6 hours to fully instal...
Ferrada launches new FR7 wheels for BMW M8 Competition Coupe

Ferrada launches new FR7 wheels for BMW M8 Competition Coupe

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Ferrada launches new FR7 wheels for BMW M8 Competition Coupe Wheel manufacturer Ferrada is now offering the all-black FR7 design rims for the new BMW M8 Competition Coupe. The FR7 style alloys feature a 7-spoke pattern that form a star design. The rims are exclusively available in matte black finish and display a concave architecture, with the 7 spokes having a striking carved look. For the new M8 Competition Coupe, the Ferrada FR7 style wheels boast a lightweight construction and comfortable clearance to accommodate even the large-sized brake kits. Exclusively for the F92 M8, the FR7 model is now available with a 21-inch diameter for the front and rear wheels. The new Ferrada wheels for the M8 Competition Coupe is suitable for 10.5-inch wide front tires and 12-inch wide rear tires. Th...
Video: BMW M4 and E90 M3 star in a CarWow Drag Race special

Video: BMW M4 and E90 M3 star in a CarWow Drag Race special

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Video: BMW M4 and E90 M3 star in a CarWow Drag Race special Thanks to CarWow, we take a look at an old fashioned drag race. The video below aims to answer a nagging question: what is best in a straight line – aspiration or forced induction. Lining up at the starting line, Mat is driving a Lexus RC F, one of the few cars still in production, using a naturally aspirated engine under the hood. The Lexus has a 5-liter V8 to rely on, making 477 HP. That’s more than almost all the cars here, with the exception of the Mercedes-AMG C63 S. That car has a 4-liter twin-turbo V8 under the hood, good for 510 HP and a lot of torque. Is it the clear favorite? Depends. We also have an older Mercedes-Benz C63 here, the last model to use a 6.3-liter naturally aspirated V8 under the hood, goo...
VIDEO: Jay Emm Reviews his E66-generation BMW 760i

VIDEO: Jay Emm Reviews his E66-generation BMW 760i

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VIDEO: Jay Emm Reviews his E66-generation BMW 760i Just recently, YouTuber Jay Emm released a video comparing the features of his 1999 Mercedes-Benz S-Class, his 2007 BMW 760i and a brand-new Audi A8L. The idea was to compare what you can get from an old luxury car versus a newer one and the value proposition of each. His goal was to give one introduction video, showing us all three cars, followed by individual videos for each car and then a conclusion. This latest video is the individual video for his E66-generation BMW 760i and it’s interesting to see. When the E65/E66 (short/long wheelbase) 7 Series first debuted, it was heavily criticized for its “Bangle Butt” styling and its wonky cabin tech. As time went on, the criticism for its styling didn’t die down but...
Rolls-Royce Phantom has one of Top Gear’s Best Interiors

Rolls-Royce Phantom has one of Top Gear’s Best Interiors

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Rolls-Royce Phantom has one of Top Gear’s Best Interiors While most brands’ claims of being the best; such as “The Best or Nothing” or “Ultimate Driving Machine”; are hollow most of the time, Rolls-Royce’s claim that the Phantom is the best car in the world might actually be true. Its craftsmanship is second to none and its cabin is among the very finest ever fitted to an automobile. The latter of which is a sentiment that seems to be shared by Top Gear, as the Rolls-Royce Phantom recently made its list of the best interiors of the 21st century. They have a point, too. The Rolls-Royce Phantoms is about as opulent as is possible on the inside, especially for rear seat passengers. Sit in the back of a Phantom and all stress is removed. Its seats swallow...
Is The BMW 8 Series Selling Well in the US? What dealers say

Is The BMW 8 Series Selling Well in the US? What dealers say

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Is The BMW 8 Series Selling Well in the US? What dealers say Despite being BMW’s flagship model, it seems as if the 8 Series just can’t pique much customer interest. In the US, the BMW 8 Series, allegedly, isn’t selling well, with dealership lots overflowing with six-figure two-doors. At first glance, though, it’s sort of puzzling as to why. The 8er is the brand’s newest, most exciting, best looking model, you’d think it would sell like crazy among the most premium of BMW customers. Yet, almost a year since it’s been launched, BMW has only managed to sell 4,410 8 Series models in the US. Granted, the 8 Series is sort of a niche model and we don’t know the economics and the profit margins. Nor we know what the planned sales volume is. To ge...
MINI Sidewalk Edition models now available, starting at $38,400

MINI Sidewalk Edition models now available, starting at $38,400

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MINI Sidewalk Edition models now available, starting at $38,400 MINI announced the introduction of the Sidewalk special edition models just as we were entering 2020. Back then we were told that the new models will be available this March but the pricing was still missing. This week, the winged-badge manufacturer announced just how much you’ll have to pay to get one. Prices start at $38,400 MSRP for the Cooper S convertible version which is also the only one we’re gonna get. However, you’ll have to add the $850 destination and handling fee to that number to get the actual, minimum price you’re going to pay for it. Furthermore, if you want your car to be fitted with an automatic 7-speed DCT gearbox, you need to tick yet another $1,500 on top of all that. The automa...
BMW i Hydrogen NEXT fuel cell could arrive in the near future

BMW i Hydrogen NEXT fuel cell could arrive in the near future

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BMW i Hydrogen NEXT fuel cell could arrive in the near future BMW is gearing up the development of the second generation of the hydrogen fuel cell powertrain technology. As announced last year, BMW will offer a limited series of the BMW i Hydrogen NEXT based on the X5 Sports Activity Vehicle. At the final IAA Frankfurt motor show held in September 2019, BMW offered us a glimpse into the future powertrain and mobility technologies. Apart from the already usual plug-in hybrid and electric choices, the Bavarians are also paving the way for the development of a sustainable hydrogen fuel cell technology with the study of a future fuel cell electric vehicle (or FCEV). The BMW i Hydrogen NEXT showcar gave us a brief preview regarding the potential of the fuel cell electric drive, expecte...
Video: Here’s how the E60 5 Series was reviewed back in 2003

Video: Here’s how the E60 5 Series was reviewed back in 2003

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Video: Here’s how the E60 5 Series was reviewed back in 2003 The E60 5 Series generation was one of the most controversial model launched in the history of BMWs. It had a very bold and unusual design for the brand at that time and it was, without a doubt, the biggest departure from the classical BMW lines. Back then, the company had a chief designer by the name of Chris Bangle and he did a lot of things differently. Out of all the Bangle-butt era models, the E60 5 Series was the best looking one. So today, we have a video review of the car from when the car was unveiled in 2003. Needless to say, the reaction to its styling is – probably on purpose – exaggerated. And yet, the point the reviewer makes stands: this was unusual by any standard. The biggest problem for the E60 w...
BMW M8 Competition Gran Coupe featured in Sonic Speed Blue

BMW M8 Competition Gran Coupe featured in Sonic Speed Blue

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BMW M8 Competition Gran Coupe featured in Sonic Speed Blue The latest addition to the BMW Abu Dhabi showroom is the M8 Competition Gran Coupe, displayed in Sonic Speed Blue paintwork. The Sonic Speed Blue shade is perfect at revealing the muscular silhouette of the high-performance four-door coupe. Furthermore, Sonic Speed Blue is part of the serial paints offered for the new M8 Competition Gran Coupe and it is brighter than Marina Bay Blue metallic. Nonetheless, it renders a vividly sharp appearance to the already flamboyant F93 M8 generation. The visual package of the newest resident of the Abu Dhabi dealership also comprises the 811M alloys with burnished black finish and star-spoke design. The Competition Package also adds extensive carbon fiber parts, as the CFRP roof, the carbon ...
Dutch pilot project: BMW Group eDrive Zones improve the living environment in urban areas

Dutch pilot project: BMW Group eDrive Zones improve the living environment in urban areas

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Dutch pilot project: BMW Group eDrive Zones improve the living environment in urban areas The concept of eDrive Zones stems from the successful Electric City Drive pilot project run by BMW Group in collaboration with the Municipality of Rotterdam and the Erasmus University in the Netherlands. Beginning with March 12, 2020, the BMW eDrive Zones functionality becomes available widely across 80 European cities, thus stimulating customers of BMW plug-in hybrid vehicles to drive in fully electric mode as much as possible. The eDrive Zones are specially designated areas within the cities which the vehicle is able to recognize and automatically switch to emission-less drive. Rotterdam was not randomly chosen as the trial city for the pilot project. The BMW eDrive Zones fits perfectly with Dut...
BMW M2 CS in Hockenheim Silver -First Video Showing A Different Color!

BMW M2 CS in Hockenheim Silver -First Video Showing A Different Color!

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BMW M2 CS in Hockenheim Silver -First Video Showing A Different Color! This is the first video of the BMW M2 CS shown in the Hockenheim Silver color. We’ve only seen so far the M2 CS in the Misano Blue launch color, but thanks to this new video from Amsterdam, we get to experience the new M2 in a more exciting color. Compared to other BMW models, the features and options list of the BMW M2 CS is not that extensive. There are basically four exterior colors – Misano Blue, Sapphire Black, Hockenheim Silver and Alpine White – and one interior option in black. As-standard, the M2 CS gets 19-inch “Y-spoke” wheels that come in gloss black finish. Each front wheel weighs only 9 kg (about 20 lbs) and about 10 kg (22 lbs) out back, on the count of the rears being wid...
What are the different packages for the BMW E46 3 Series

What are the different packages for the BMW E46 3 Series

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What are the different packages for the BMW E46 3 Series The E46-generation 3 Series is easily one of the most popular BMWs of all time. Not only did it sell like crazy when it was new but it continues to do so on the second-hand market. In fact, used-car sites are filled to the brim with E46s in various conditions, waiting for new owners. However, buying an E46 isn’t as easy as just picking one. There were, and still are, many things to consider about the fan-favorite 3 Series, as model types, packages and options can make a world of a difference. Thankfully, the folks over at Bimmerfest have compiled a nice little list of all the different packages, options and trim levels available on the E46 3 Series. This sort of list can be an invaluable tool when shopping for your next car,...
VIDEO: Why do BMW and Mercedes-Benz offer cheaper cars?

VIDEO: Why do BMW and Mercedes-Benz offer cheaper cars?

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VIDEO: Why do BMW and Mercedes-Benz offer cheaper cars? Premium automakers have consistently attempted to bring in younger buyers at the lower end of the market. The idea is to get customers into the brand while their young so they can become a fan of the brand and continue to buy more expensive cars as they get older. So brands like BMW, Mercedes-Benz and Audi have all offered less expensive, entry-level models to try and bring that younger buyer in, with varying degrees of success. In fact, for the most part, each brand’s cheapest cars have failed. So why do they keep doing it and is it still worth it? This new video from CNBC walks us all through some of the history behind both BMW’s and Mercedes’ entry-level cars. For starters, we get to see the BMW 3 Series Compac...
MINI Pickup truck heading to auction, looks cuter than ever

MINI Pickup truck heading to auction, looks cuter than ever

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MINI Pickup truck heading to auction, looks cuter than ever The MINI brand isn’t necessarily known for its pickup trucks and yet, they are part of the company’s history. MINI actually built a lot of peculiar machines over the years, all of them based on the platform created by Sir Alec Issigonis back in the ’50s. Even though that’s the case, people are still complaining about the Countryman or the Clubman these days, claiming they are tarnishing the immaculate history of the winged-logo brand. Well, to their surprise, MINI actually built cars like this pickup truck as far back as 1961 and this no crazy man’s invention but a real, MINI product. This was actually in production up to 1983 and over 58,000 units were made, probably aimed at making your life easi...
BMW USA announces pricing for 2021 BMW 330e and 330e xDrive Sedans

BMW USA announces pricing for 2021 BMW 330e and 330e xDrive Sedans

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BMW USA announces pricing for 2021 BMW 330e and 330e xDrive Sedans BMW USA announces the pricing for the 2021 BMW 330e and 330e xDrive plug-in hybrids. The BMW 330e sedan has an MSRP of $44,550 while the 330e xDrive will cost $46,550, plus $995 Destination and Handling fee for both models. Just like its predecessor, the revised PHEV drivetrain uses the combination of a four-cylinder gasoline engine and electric motor, but with an XtraBoost providing even more power for a short time. Said powertrain consists of a 2.0 liter turbocharged engine that on its own makes 181 hp. The electric motor that’s integrated into the eight-speed automatic makes an additional 107 hp. Those two combine for 288 hp and 310 lb-ft of torque, which is only up 5 hp over the previous-gen car, and equal tor...
Rendering: IMSA BMW 3.0 CSL Reimagined in road-legal clothes

Rendering: IMSA BMW 3.0 CSL Reimagined in road-legal clothes

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Rendering: IMSA BMW 3.0 CSL Reimagined in road-legal clothes The one car that started the BMW M phenomenon didn’t even wear the M badge on the boot. It was the BMW 3.0 CSL, a car that was developed under Jochen Neerpasch’s supervision and became a track sensation. Its success prompted BMW to do more in the field of motorsport and even set up the Motorsport division. It was so outrageously in your face that the track version earned the nickname ‘Batmobil’, one that rings true to this day. The track model was actually based on the road-legal BMW 3.0 CS model but with a lot of changes done to it, to be able to keep up on the track. The regulations of that era demanded that some cars be made in road-legal clothes to allow the track-ready special to compete. Therefore...
The new Land Rover Defender is going to eat a lot of BMW X5s

The new Land Rover Defender is going to eat a lot of BMW X5s

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The new Land Rover Defender is going to eat a lot of BMW X5s The embargo for reviews of the all-new Land Rover Defender lifted today, which is why the internet is awash with them. It’s also the first truly new Defender since Henry VIII was King. So it’s a big deal. Turns out, though, that the new Defender warrants the publicity in its own right as it seems to be damn good. After reading and watching some reviews today, I have a strong feeling that Land Rover is going to eat BMW’s, along with the other Germans’, lunch. In its segment is the BMW X5, Mercedes-Benz GLE-Class and Audi Q7. All of those cars are around the same price to start, when equipped similarly — hovering around the $60,000-mark — so none of them have a substantial price advantage over...
BMW 225xe, 330e and 530e eDrive Edition launches in he Netherlands

BMW 225xe, 330e and 530e eDrive Edition launches in he Netherlands

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BMW 225xe, 330e and 530e eDrive Edition launches in he Netherlands BMW launches the special eDrive Edition models on the Dutch market to further boost sales of electrified models. The limited-run eDrive Edition is now available to order for the BMW 225xe Active Tourer, 330e and 530e plug-in hybrid models. The specification package is very attractive as the special eDrive Edition adds high-end equipment for the three electrified Bimmers. The new BMW 225xe eDrive Edition offers a customer promo advantage of up to EUR 6,772. The plug-in hybrid Active Tourer boasts the standard High Executive Package, which comprises a special range-topping equipment including: LED headlights and fog lights Navigation system Plus with RTTI BMW Head Up Display Cruise Control Park Distance Control Sport stee...
VIDEO: Watch an E66 7 Series take on a brand-new Audi A8

VIDEO: Watch an E66 7 Series take on a brand-new Audi A8

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VIDEO: Watch an E66 7 Series take on a brand-new Audi A8 Just yesterday, we say a video from Jay Emm in which he compared the economy of his V12-powered BMW 760i and a Nissan Leaf. Obviously that’s a flawed comparison, even he admits it, but it’s a fun and interesting one. Today, though, he compares the his 760i with his own 1999 Mercedes-Benz S-Class (*gasp* he owns both BMW and Mercedes?!) and the brand-new Audi A8L. The video is only part one of several, as each car will get its own video review and then they’ll all be totaled up and a winner will be named. This video is merely an introduction to each car, how their features compare and how much they were when new, as well as how much he paid for his two cars. Yes, this is also a bit of a flawed test but it’s ...